Locality Florida Kings
For those locality buffs, here is a page my friend Glenn Bartolotti put together!
Site mission statement
I hope that this site may be around for many years, and aid in helping hobbyists who love Florida Kings as much as I do, to identify certain morphs, and be a touchstone on the history of these beautiful animals. I have done quite a bit of research, and have put in quite a bit of time both interviewing certain key people, and scouring the internet for as much info as I could find on each individual Morph (Genetic Mutation) that has popped up in Lampropeltis Getula Floridana, or simply Florida Kings. I do not claim that all my findings are 100% accurate, and set in stone. These are the details that I have been able to dig up. I welcome any new info on any of the Morphs mentioned in this page. Many of these lines are decades old, and the people involved in their origins have passed away, or can't be found. There are also conflicting stories on several of these lines, and so I had to weigh out all the stories, and choose what seemed most reasonable, and sound. Yes people lie, and I can not be the Oracle who determines which stories are true, I am simply reporting the details as best I can.
I would like to make one comment right from the beginning. Many of these lines are possible because of a handful of Pioneers that helped get this whole hobby off the ground, and to where we are today. People like Craig Culotta of then Southern Reptiles, and Bill Love who once owned Glades Herps were very instrumental in getting hard to find specimens into the hands of many enthusiasts. Many whom went on to produce some amazing morphs with those base animals, so this whole hobby has been a bit of a Pyramid, each generation supporting the next. So though we may credit someone here today for something, it may not have been even possible without those ealy snake Lovers who paved the way..... Salute, and thanks!
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Thank You
~ Jorge Sierra
I would like to make one comment right from the beginning. Many of these lines are possible because of a handful of Pioneers that helped get this whole hobby off the ground, and to where we are today. People like Craig Culotta of then Southern Reptiles, and Bill Love who once owned Glades Herps were very instrumental in getting hard to find specimens into the hands of many enthusiasts. Many whom went on to produce some amazing morphs with those base animals, so this whole hobby has been a bit of a Pyramid, each generation supporting the next. So though we may credit someone here today for something, it may not have been even possible without those ealy snake Lovers who paved the way..... Salute, and thanks!
*Note: Keep in mind as you surf thru this site that every picture should open up into a larger file if you click on it. if you should find any that don't open up please report it to me, you can find me on Face Book by clicking the gold button below, or email me at [email protected], also use this link to submit any photos you may want to be considered for additions to this site.
Click the gold button link below to open my Face Book, and send me a private message.
Thank You
~ Jorge Sierra
What is a Brooks King?Click the picture of the Brooks King on the right ---->
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Daniel Parker kills it in 2020
2020 has definitely been a productive year for Daniel Parker of Sunshine Serpents!
Daniel hatched out several morphs from wild caught lines.
1) This year he proved out his Sugar morph that started with one odd looking juvenile King found in a Sugar Cane field of Palm Beach County.
2) He also hatched out a Lavender albino from Highlands County wild Caught Kings.
3) Daniel also hatched a couple of Anery Kings from locale specific Miami Dade kings.
4) If all that weren't enough Daniel also hatched out what looks like Hypomelanistic babies from his Pinellas Sand Kings...WOW!
All of these will be added to the morph page under the section for each gene which you can access by clicking the gene name > Lavender, Anery, Hypo, and Sugar.
Daniel hatched out several morphs from wild caught lines.
1) This year he proved out his Sugar morph that started with one odd looking juvenile King found in a Sugar Cane field of Palm Beach County.
2) He also hatched out a Lavender albino from Highlands County wild Caught Kings.
3) Daniel also hatched a couple of Anery Kings from locale specific Miami Dade kings.
4) If all that weren't enough Daniel also hatched out what looks like Hypomelanistic babies from his Pinellas Sand Kings...WOW!
All of these will be added to the morph page under the section for each gene which you can access by clicking the gene name > Lavender, Anery, Hypo, and Sugar.
click here for> Morph Index <(clickable search list)
Simple Recessive Morphs
Hypomelanistic -Type A (Classic) - reduction of black pigment, and enhancement of the remaining colors
Classic Doug Beard line Hypo
by Jorge Sierra
Red, and Yellow Hypos
pics by Michael Heyduk / Tanja Kossow
.......Hypo het Lavender male........
by Zenny Felician
Hypo with a degree of diffused sides by Daniel Parker
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Agosta line Hypo female
by Zenny Felician
High Red Hypo
by Zenny felician
red hypo hatchling next to normal sibling by J. Sierra
Hypo with aberrant striped Pattern
by Jeremy Thompson
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Red, and Yellow Hypos.........
pics by Michael Heyduk / Tanja Kossow
Red Hypo by John N. Kramer
......Red Hypo head shot.......
by John N. Kramer
Hypo with aberrant striped Pattern
by Jeremy Thompson
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High Red Hypo
Hypo by Glen A Brooksi
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Doug Beard is usually credited with having the first Hypo Brooks in the hobby, though Bill Love started producing them at almost the same time, and Len Krysco also had some. Other sources say Kevin Maxwell actually had the first ones. Since it's impossible to go back, and figure out what the real story is we will just credit these guys for having the earliest involvement with them.
Doug's line is reported to have originated from a wild caught from Collier County. Since that original animal was then used to make Hets, it's impossible to say what other locales may have been added? The first Hypos were very pale especially as adults, and some were very yellow. Bill Love who was co-owner of glades Herp at the time probably sold many with the hidden Hypo gene in them, which could explain why they started popping up in other collections.
Doug's line is reported to have originated from a wild caught from Collier County. Since that original animal was then used to make Hets, it's impossible to say what other locales may have been added? The first Hypos were very pale especially as adults, and some were very yellow. Bill Love who was co-owner of glades Herp at the time probably sold many with the hidden Hypo gene in them, which could explain why they started popping up in other collections.
In 2020 Daniel Parker hatches what seems to be some hypo babies from his Pinellas County Sand Kings.
Pinellas County Hypo
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Pinellas County Hypo
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Peanut Butter -Hypomelanistic Type B (True Hypo)
- complete absence of black pigments
- complete absence of black pigments
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The story of the Peanut Butter Brooks begins with Tom Mills of California visiting his good friend Stephen Strasser in Florida in 1992, or 93. Tom asked Stephen to arrange a trip to Glades Herp to look around and buy some snakes. So they did just that, and left with some Dade County Brooks Kingsnakes.
Tom took these snakes back to California with him where they eventually bred, and produced a clutch of babies for him two years later. Of the eggs only one baby looked different than the rest, and was immediately nicknamed “Raw Meat” because of the odd pinkish purple color it displayed, very similar to the sheen on a raw steak. The name stuck, and they began calling it the Raw Meat snake.
This first Raw Meat snake was the only one like it in a fairly large clutch, and so they thought it was an odd event. The snake was also a very picky eater, and eventually died, so Tom, and Stephen both thought it might have been some kind of fluke.
The second year those same snakes were bred, they hatched out yet another male Raw Meat! This time the young male was vibrant, ate well, and survived. Tom sent this male as a yearling back to Steve along with all the siblings, and the original pair from Glades Herps. Stephen told me that he bred this group for six years, and never produced a female.
Stephen showed the snakes around to many people including Bill Love, and Len Krysco who believed it might be a sex linked gene, thus only being produced in males. Stephen said he produced over 15 clutches, and only males were ever produced. He also noticed that the snakes went thru a very quick change in appearance loosing that Pinkish purple color in a matter of a couple of months. They transformed into a more orange almost Sulfur color, even resembling the common Hypomelanistic Brooks that had already been established in the hobby. The Raw Meat male was also bred to the classic Hypo, but only double hets were produced
Stephen eventually sold the group to Rainer Weishauptl who went on to produce them, and eventually breed them to the T-Neg Brooks he had also acquired, producing the first Jelly Brooks which is discussed in detail in that section. Rainer also noticed that some of the females looked lighter, than the rest of the clutch although not Purple in color, and he suspected that these could be female “Peanut Butters”, which is what he started marketing them as.
Since then it has been proven that there is a sexual dimorphism in this gene which makes the males much more exaggerated, and purple looking, while the females are much less distinguishable from the normals at least as hatchlings. Stephen did mention that he never noticed this with any of the clutches he produced.
* Note: The Swampland line is just a name given by Rainer Weishauptl to distinguish that line from other lines. It was originally a Jelly bred to a WS axanthic, but the line changed hands a couple of times, and the exact genetics are a bit fuzzy. However there are some very beautiful animals produced from this line including the rare Pewter which is believed to be an Axanthic Jelly.
Tom took these snakes back to California with him where they eventually bred, and produced a clutch of babies for him two years later. Of the eggs only one baby looked different than the rest, and was immediately nicknamed “Raw Meat” because of the odd pinkish purple color it displayed, very similar to the sheen on a raw steak. The name stuck, and they began calling it the Raw Meat snake.
This first Raw Meat snake was the only one like it in a fairly large clutch, and so they thought it was an odd event. The snake was also a very picky eater, and eventually died, so Tom, and Stephen both thought it might have been some kind of fluke.
The second year those same snakes were bred, they hatched out yet another male Raw Meat! This time the young male was vibrant, ate well, and survived. Tom sent this male as a yearling back to Steve along with all the siblings, and the original pair from Glades Herps. Stephen told me that he bred this group for six years, and never produced a female.
Stephen showed the snakes around to many people including Bill Love, and Len Krysco who believed it might be a sex linked gene, thus only being produced in males. Stephen said he produced over 15 clutches, and only males were ever produced. He also noticed that the snakes went thru a very quick change in appearance loosing that Pinkish purple color in a matter of a couple of months. They transformed into a more orange almost Sulfur color, even resembling the common Hypomelanistic Brooks that had already been established in the hobby. The Raw Meat male was also bred to the classic Hypo, but only double hets were produced
Stephen eventually sold the group to Rainer Weishauptl who went on to produce them, and eventually breed them to the T-Neg Brooks he had also acquired, producing the first Jelly Brooks which is discussed in detail in that section. Rainer also noticed that some of the females looked lighter, than the rest of the clutch although not Purple in color, and he suspected that these could be female “Peanut Butters”, which is what he started marketing them as.
Since then it has been proven that there is a sexual dimorphism in this gene which makes the males much more exaggerated, and purple looking, while the females are much less distinguishable from the normals at least as hatchlings. Stephen did mention that he never noticed this with any of the clutches he produced.
* Note: The Swampland line is just a name given by Rainer Weishauptl to distinguish that line from other lines. It was originally a Jelly bred to a WS axanthic, but the line changed hands a couple of times, and the exact genetics are a bit fuzzy. However there are some very beautiful animals produced from this line including the rare Pewter which is believed to be an Axanthic Jelly.
Lavender (T-Pos)
...High Red Aberrant Lavender..
pic by Marco Vasen
........Super Red Lavender.......
pic by John N. Kramer
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Lavender with partial striping
...High Red Aberrant lavender...
pic by Marco Vasen
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Baby Lavender from Pink Pearl line
Lloyd Lemke Lavender het for Pink Pearlearl by Jorge Sierra
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group of Lavenders -one AnerySnow, one Axanthic snow, and one yellow Lavender
Lavender Mosaic by Glen A Brooksi
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..............Lavender Flame...........
by Zenny Felician
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Lavender Fengya Flame
by Jeremy Thompson
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Lavender Fengya Flame
by Jeremy Thompson
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The Lavender Florida Kings have been under much scrutiny for many years. I have yet to pinpoint when they started popping up, but I believe it may have been around the early 90's? Kevin Enge was reported to have hatched out one from some Tampa Kings, and also Tim Ricks had a line which was co-owned by Craig Cullotta of then Southern Reptiles. Chris Cullotta told me he remembers them when he was very young, and they were purchased from a youngster looking to sell the babies to a local Pet shop. Lloyd Lemke also was reported to have hatched out some, though the origins of the parents is not documented. Mike Madec told me Lloyd was a frequent hunter, and believes they probably came from his wild caught stock. The reason Lavenders have been so vigorously contested is that the Lavender Cal Kings had been around first, and there were many instances of people borrowing the Lavender gene by cross breeding into Floridana to sell the animals unscrupulously as true Albino Florida Kings.
Below are pics of Lloyds original Lavenders. Pictures provided by Mike Madec of Isis Reptiles of Lloyd's adult male and a clutch hatching in 1999.
Below are pics of Lloyds original Lavenders. Pictures provided by Mike Madec of Isis Reptiles of Lloyd's adult male and a clutch hatching in 1999.
Lavender pipping
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1999 clutch of baby Lavenders
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Lloyd's adult male Lavender in 1999
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In 2020 Daniel Parker of Sunshine serpents hatched out some surprise Lavenders from wild caught parents in Highlands County. This is probably the only line in the hobby that can be confidently 100% from Florida King bloodline. Lavenders have long been suspect of being borrowed from other subspecies of kings. So this line is very special!
Highlands County Lavender clutch
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Highlands County Lavender
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Amel (T-Neg)
yellow T-Neg by Jorge Sierra
........Sexual pair of T-Negs...........
by Zenny Felician
..........High White T-Neg...........
by Micah Brawley
...........Red T-Neg albino.........
by Jeremy Thompson
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High Red T-Neg by Jorge Sierra
large T-Neg by Scott McFarlane
..........High White T-Neg...........
by Micah Brawley
.........Yellow T-Neg albino........
by Jeremy Thompson
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Fresh hatchling T-Neg with siblings by Jorge Sierra
T-Neg by Scott McFarlane
....T-Neg albino hatchling....
by Tom Stevens
.........Yellow T-Neg albino........
by Jeremy Thompson
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T-Neg eye by Jorge Sierra
large male T-Neg by Ricky Lee
...........Red T-Neg albino.........
by Jeremy Thompson
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The T-Neg Amelanistic, or T-Neg for short is a relatively new morph in Florida Kings. Though it has been around since 1990 or 91. It has only recently been available to hobbyists. I will refer to these as T-Negs to distinguish them from the T+ which are Lavender albinos.
The original T-Neg popped out of a normal clutch of Brooks Kings and was produced by William Corwin. There was no data given on whether they were WC parents, but William used the term Brooks. The female died shortly after laying her clutch, and William had no idea what was going to emerge from his unique clutch of eggs. Only one egg hatched out an albino, and it was a male. Since the mother had died he could not back breed this male to the mother, so he decided to raise him up, and make hets. No info was given as to what happened to the siblings of this albino male.
While speaking with now deceased Lloyd Lemke, Lloyd convinced William to buy a high red (Flame) female Brooks to breed with the T-Neg male, and make nice red hets. The clutch was male heavy, but he did hold back a few females, and raised them up to maturity. The females were bred with the T-Neg male, and several more T-Neg babies were produced. Of the babies produced that first year, William recalls that one female was exceptionally red, and he recalls her as gorgeous!
Before he was able to breed those T-Negs to continue producing more of them, he decided to change direction in his collection, and sold the project to a Rainer Weishauptl.
In 2003 Rainer produced 1.4 T-Neg albino Flames. He also claims he bred his male T-Neg to a BHB Anery female, and produced three viable eggs. Of those three eggs one hatched out Anery.
Since then the T-Negs have caught on in popularity, and have been used in many new combinations, not least of which is the making of the Jelly Brooks, which is covered extensively in that section.
The original T-Neg popped out of a normal clutch of Brooks Kings and was produced by William Corwin. There was no data given on whether they were WC parents, but William used the term Brooks. The female died shortly after laying her clutch, and William had no idea what was going to emerge from his unique clutch of eggs. Only one egg hatched out an albino, and it was a male. Since the mother had died he could not back breed this male to the mother, so he decided to raise him up, and make hets. No info was given as to what happened to the siblings of this albino male.
While speaking with now deceased Lloyd Lemke, Lloyd convinced William to buy a high red (Flame) female Brooks to breed with the T-Neg male, and make nice red hets. The clutch was male heavy, but he did hold back a few females, and raised them up to maturity. The females were bred with the T-Neg male, and several more T-Neg babies were produced. Of the babies produced that first year, William recalls that one female was exceptionally red, and he recalls her as gorgeous!
Before he was able to breed those T-Negs to continue producing more of them, he decided to change direction in his collection, and sold the project to a Rainer Weishauptl.
In 2003 Rainer produced 1.4 T-Neg albino Flames. He also claims he bred his male T-Neg to a BHB Anery female, and produced three viable eggs. Of those three eggs one hatched out Anery.
Since then the T-Negs have caught on in popularity, and have been used in many new combinations, not least of which is the making of the Jelly Brooks, which is covered extensively in that section.
Anery - lacking in red colors
Aney adult by Scott McFarlane
...Anery from Agosta Flame line......
by Jorge Sierra
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Anery by Scott McFarlane
Anery female from Agosta line
by Darnell Brister
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Anery by Scott McFarlane
Anery female from Agosta line
by Darnell Brister
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Anery by Scott McFarlane
Anery female from Agosta line
by Darnell Brister
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The Anerythristic gene removes all red color, and is sometimes confused with the Axanthic gene. The two genes create very similar effects, but the experienced enthusiasts can usually tell the difference. Aneries tend to have wider windows on their flanks, and are more muddied in their pure state. They also appear less speckled than Axanthics, and will have some color in their Iris, where the Axanthics will have jet black eyes. There is a clean black and white line, but it is unclear if this look is due to the red color added in from Flames? Reportedly there was a black and white line long before Agosta started mixing them into his flame line, but the history is unknown.
Some breeders will say that the two genes are the same, and you can produce one from the other. However I believe what has happened is that somewhere down the line people have bred the two together, so some may be het for the other, or even visual/Homozygous for both genes.
Bryan Barczyk of BHB has long had a line of Anery Florida Kings, but I have no data on when or how he got them. Recently I have heard that his stock may now be carrying both Anery, and Axanthic genes, or combinations of each in het form.
Lloyd Lemke sold his line as Aneries many years ago, but today we would call those Axanthics.
Some breeders will say that the two genes are the same, and you can produce one from the other. However I believe what has happened is that somewhere down the line people have bred the two together, so some may be het for the other, or even visual/Homozygous for both genes.
Bryan Barczyk of BHB has long had a line of Anery Florida Kings, but I have no data on when or how he got them. Recently I have heard that his stock may now be carrying both Anery, and Axanthic genes, or combinations of each in het form.
Lloyd Lemke sold his line as Aneries many years ago, but today we would call those Axanthics.
In 2020 Daniel Parker hatches out Anery babies from a locality Miami Dade county pair.
Anery Miami Dade
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Anery Miami Dade
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Axanthic - lacking in red, and yellow colors
Adult Axanthic (Lemke line)...
pic by John N. Kramer
Typical Axanthic Baby
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...........Adult Axanthic........... Pic by John N. Kramer
Juvenile Aanthic
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New England line Axanthic
search below under line bred traits for details on this line.
Very dark Lemke line Axanthic.....
by Micah Brawley
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..............baby Axanthic............
by Darnell Brister
New England Axanthic by Jeremy Thompson
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The earliest source for Axanthics are probably Lloyd Lemke's line which he had as far back as the early 90's possibly earlier. I have yet been able to pinpoint the first ones. Interesting note here is that Lloyd marketed them as Aneries, since very little was known about them. Today we know there are two different strains, and when bred to each other they yield double hets, unless one of the parents has the other gene hidden in heterozygous form.
Axanthics will have jet black eyes, and appear more speckled than Aneries. Babies will display a blue hue which is difficult to capture on film.
There is another famous line called New England Axanthic because the originators lived in the New England area. More details can be found in the section below under line bred traits.
Axanthics will have jet black eyes, and appear more speckled than Aneries. Babies will display a blue hue which is difficult to capture on film.
There is another famous line called New England Axanthic because the originators lived in the New England area. More details can be found in the section below under line bred traits.
Mosaic - effects pattern by redistributing the natural pattern, and some times colors too.
Baby Mosaic by Jorge Sierra
Very linear patterned Mosaic....
by Jorge Sierra
Female Mosaic with nice color..
By Jorge Sierra
High red Mosaic by Daniel Parker
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<--- same baby mosaic on left after shed......
by Jorge Sierra
<---same Mosaic on left as a baby...
by Jorge Sierra
<---same Mosaic on left as a baby...
by Jorge Sierra
High red Mosaic by Daniel Parker
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adult male Mosaic by Ricky Lee
adult female Mosaic by Ricky Lee
young Mosaic with hidden hets
by Jorge Sierra
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adult male Mosaic by Ricky Lee
adult female Mosaic by Ricky Lee
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The Mosaic gene is an aberrant mutation that can look completely Chaotic, or have a symmetry that almost looks linear. This highly variable Morph was discovered in two separate collections from Cane Field Kings collected in and around the Clewiston area of Central Florida.
One line which is the predominant line in the hobby today popped up in a group of Clewiston wild caught animals in Gourmet Rodents colony. Bill Brant who owned Gourmet rodents at the time said they saw the first Mosaics in 2003. They popped out of captive hatched snakes from eggs that were laid by wild caught females from sugar cane fields south of lake Okeechobee in 1997. In 1999 when they began breeding this group of unrelated snakes they saw Axanthics pop up. Then in 2003 the first Mosaics popped up. Knowing they had knowing that they had siblings to the male, and female Mosaics, they began adding those snakes into the group, and were able to identify others with the gene as well, which resulted in their rapid proliferation.
They bred these Mosaics for many years, and sold plenty of them at all the Reptile expos they vended at. They also saw a striped gene, which they called Pinstriped come from this same group of Clewiston Kings.
Gourmet Rodents , were probably the first to discover that adding Hypo to the Mosaics would create some amazing variations to an already great looking snake. I'm not sure why they did not pursue this combination in more depth, but I do remember seeing some old pics of them many years ago. Andy Waldo worked at Gourmet Rodents for years, and worked with the Mosaics told me he saw many reduced pattern, patternless, and striped animals that were produced from the colony of Mosaics over the years.
A second line popped up in a WC gravid female from the Clewiston area caught by Carl May, and Sean Bellinger in March of 2004. Carl actually caught both gravid females, Sean lept one, and sent the other female to Phil Peak. The female Sean kept laid 8 eggs, 6 hatched, and two were aberrant Mosaics. All the hatchlings were females. Sean sold the project to Lindsay Pike, but since both Mosaics were females it would take some time to produce more. Before Lindsay could produce the first ones, Gourmet Rodents was already offering babies for sale in 2006.
We can conclude that the mosaic gene is in fact a naturally occurring morph in certain wild Floridana populations. Below are pics of the original Babies that Sean Bellinger hatched out from the wild caught gravid female. Notice how the red Chromatophores are enhanced.
One line which is the predominant line in the hobby today popped up in a group of Clewiston wild caught animals in Gourmet Rodents colony. Bill Brant who owned Gourmet rodents at the time said they saw the first Mosaics in 2003. They popped out of captive hatched snakes from eggs that were laid by wild caught females from sugar cane fields south of lake Okeechobee in 1997. In 1999 when they began breeding this group of unrelated snakes they saw Axanthics pop up. Then in 2003 the first Mosaics popped up. Knowing they had knowing that they had siblings to the male, and female Mosaics, they began adding those snakes into the group, and were able to identify others with the gene as well, which resulted in their rapid proliferation.
They bred these Mosaics for many years, and sold plenty of them at all the Reptile expos they vended at. They also saw a striped gene, which they called Pinstriped come from this same group of Clewiston Kings.
Gourmet Rodents , were probably the first to discover that adding Hypo to the Mosaics would create some amazing variations to an already great looking snake. I'm not sure why they did not pursue this combination in more depth, but I do remember seeing some old pics of them many years ago. Andy Waldo worked at Gourmet Rodents for years, and worked with the Mosaics told me he saw many reduced pattern, patternless, and striped animals that were produced from the colony of Mosaics over the years.
A second line popped up in a WC gravid female from the Clewiston area caught by Carl May, and Sean Bellinger in March of 2004. Carl actually caught both gravid females, Sean lept one, and sent the other female to Phil Peak. The female Sean kept laid 8 eggs, 6 hatched, and two were aberrant Mosaics. All the hatchlings were females. Sean sold the project to Lindsay Pike, but since both Mosaics were females it would take some time to produce more. Before Lindsay could produce the first ones, Gourmet Rodents was already offering babies for sale in 2006.
We can conclude that the mosaic gene is in fact a naturally occurring morph in certain wild Floridana populations. Below are pics of the original Babies that Sean Bellinger hatched out from the wild caught gravid female. Notice how the red Chromatophores are enhanced.
WC gravid female
animal and pic
by Sean Bellinger
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aberrant baby #1 from WC gravid female.........animal and pic by Sean Bellinger
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aberrant baby #1 from WC gravid female........animal and pic by Sean Bellinger
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aberrant baby #2 from WC gravid female, and normal sibling
.......animal and pic by Sean Bellinger
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White Sided - Localized Leucism
young female with dirty sides
sub adult male with clean sides
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young male White Sided
White Sided Axanthic adult
by Darnell Brister
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White Sided from Swampland line by Ricky Lee
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White Sided from Swampland line by Ricky Lee
One of Tim Ricks early White Sided Kings owned by Lloyd Lemke in 2002......................
pic by Mike Madec
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This gene does just what the name implies. It wipes the sides of the animal clean, though some may still have a bit of "dirty news print" lingering on parts of the sides. Not set in stone, but I have noticed the ones with the cleanest sides are most often males. This gene also seems to wash away all of the colors on the dorsal length of the snake, except certain amounts of yellow. When combined with certain other genes, the results are an almost completely white snake.
The White Sided Kings are the most "Folk Lured" snakes in the Florida King hobby. So many rumors floating around about the origins of these Kings, and how they were made from White Sided Black Rats, and then cleaned up to look like Florida Kings thru selective breeding. I don't know what the truth is, but I will say that the White Sided gene has popped up in an array of Colubrids, and even a Python, and a Rattlesnake. It's not that hard to believe they could pop up in a line Florida Kings. There already is a line in Speckled Kings from Louisiana, and another from Texas. Having said this I know there will always be skeptics, but this is the story I was told by Walter Smith who was friends with Tim Ricks when he hatched the first ones.
The first White Sided Florida is reported to have hatched by Tim Ricks from Breeding a Lemke Axanthic to a normal Florida King in an attempt to correct some of the fertility issues from them being inbred too much. They became very popular when Lemke produced them, but they had fertility problems early on. The first White Sided popped out from the Hets that were produced, and later test breeding proved that the gene was in the normal used, and not the Axanthic. I don't have a date for the first one being hatched, but since babies were being sold by 2004, I will guess around 2000.
The White Sided Kings are the most "Folk Lured" snakes in the Florida King hobby. So many rumors floating around about the origins of these Kings, and how they were made from White Sided Black Rats, and then cleaned up to look like Florida Kings thru selective breeding. I don't know what the truth is, but I will say that the White Sided gene has popped up in an array of Colubrids, and even a Python, and a Rattlesnake. It's not that hard to believe they could pop up in a line Florida Kings. There already is a line in Speckled Kings from Louisiana, and another from Texas. Having said this I know there will always be skeptics, but this is the story I was told by Walter Smith who was friends with Tim Ricks when he hatched the first ones.
The first White Sided Florida is reported to have hatched by Tim Ricks from Breeding a Lemke Axanthic to a normal Florida King in an attempt to correct some of the fertility issues from them being inbred too much. They became very popular when Lemke produced them, but they had fertility problems early on. The first White Sided popped out from the Hets that were produced, and later test breeding proved that the gene was in the normal used, and not the Axanthic. I don't have a date for the first one being hatched, but since babies were being sold by 2004, I will guess around 2000.
White Cheek/Bone White - Diffused sides
...........Bone White hypo............
by Neil Carver
..........Bone White Hypos...........
by Micah Brawley
young female Bone White Hypo
by Jeremy Thompson
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..........Bone White male.........,...
by Jorge Sierra
..........Bone White Hypos...........
by Micah Brawley
young male Bone White Hypo
by Jeremy Thompson
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.......White Cheek adult..........
by David Briz Herrezuelo
................Bone White .................
by Jorge Sierra
young male White Cheek belly
by Jorge Sierra
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.........White Cheek adult........
by David Briz Herrezuelo
.....young White Cheek eye......
by Jorge Sierra
young female White Cheek belly
by Jorge Sierra
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This morph appears to have diffused sides, and usually displays no color, with an overall pale look. The origins of the gene or genes responsible for this mutation is unclear. One line that is documented popped out of fairly typical Brooksi looking female that was het for Hypo. The female was a 1993 Len Krysco line, and was owned by Lindsay Pike. She produced some very orange looking babies, and some very white looking ones, as well as one Bone White in 2008. The Sire of the clutch was a male Hypo that produced babies with blank heads which Lindsay called "Baldy Babies". Lindsay did also produce some Bone Whites with a pinkish color, so this gene will tolerate some color, while the White Sided gene seems to wash away all, or most color.
Mark Bell has the White Cheek line sometimes called the "White Faced", or "White Lipped", but I have no information on it's origins. The two lines seem to have the same genes working in them, even if they originate separately.
These pics below are the original snake Lindsay produced in 2008, and he also posted these pics online in a public forum.
Mark Bell has the White Cheek line sometimes called the "White Faced", or "White Lipped", but I have no information on it's origins. The two lines seem to have the same genes working in them, even if they originate separately.
These pics below are the original snake Lindsay produced in 2008, and he also posted these pics online in a public forum.
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Erythristic / Extreme Flames - Exagerated amounts of red Pigments (Erythrophores)
..........Erythristic Subadult........
by John N. kramer
.........2015 het Erythristic female........
by Jorge Sierra
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Erythristic baby female
by Zenny Felician
.........2015 het Erythristic female........
by Jorge Sierra
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Erythristic adult and neonate
by Zenny Felician
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.........Erythristic and Flame.........
by Zenny Felician
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The Erythristic gene was discovered, and isolated by Zenny Felician who suspected that there was probably a specific mutation at work in many of the Extreme Flames being sold by Tommy Agosta. Tommy's line of Flames showed a dramatic improvement in the amount of red color that was being displayed over the previous Flames seen in the hobby. Breeders have been tagging almost any snake with red sides as "Flames" but only one line actually had a gene responsible for the over abundant presence of red color. This gene was aptly coined Erythristic. The Erythristic gene is so strong that the red bleeds thru heavily even in the Hets. Because of this it can be tricky to distinguish a Heterozygous from a Homozygous individual, both showing increased amounts of Erythrophores or red pigment cells.
A bit of history on the Agosta/Fengya Flames is as follows. Tommy Agosta purchased all of Bob Fengya's collection when Bob got out of the hobby many years ago. He had two main lines he was known for, the Flames, and the New England Axanthics, though he told a friend of mine that he did not originate the NE Axanthics. Still he was credited for starting the line, because he worked with them so much. My friend also spoke with Tommy about the drastic change in some of his snakes, especially his Extreme Flames which now show intense suffusion of red pigments. Tommy said that he bred a Fengya Flame to a NE Axanthic, and got some incredible looking snakes, and then he kept line breeding for the desired look he was after. Many of his Extreme Flames today have been bred into Anery, which also produced the High White Aneries discussed in that section.
(10-15-18) An update on the Erythristic gene in Florida Kings!
It's been a few years since the Ery gene has been bred by several breeders, and it does seem to be a simple recessive trait, but there may be more going on than we can pin point as of now. The hets from an Ery to non Ery displays variable amounts of red color which can in some cases be almost as red as the Ery parent, especially if mixed with a Hypo that also has lineage of red in the bloodline. These hypo het Ery babies are so red I thought they had to be displaying the Ery gene. This year I bred a male Hypo het Ery to a Striped Lavender female, and only one of the babies displayed a slightly higher than normal amount of red. They all basically looked like typical Florida Kings with some aberration which is typical influence from the striped female.
A bit of history on the Agosta/Fengya Flames is as follows. Tommy Agosta purchased all of Bob Fengya's collection when Bob got out of the hobby many years ago. He had two main lines he was known for, the Flames, and the New England Axanthics, though he told a friend of mine that he did not originate the NE Axanthics. Still he was credited for starting the line, because he worked with them so much. My friend also spoke with Tommy about the drastic change in some of his snakes, especially his Extreme Flames which now show intense suffusion of red pigments. Tommy said that he bred a Fengya Flame to a NE Axanthic, and got some incredible looking snakes, and then he kept line breeding for the desired look he was after. Many of his Extreme Flames today have been bred into Anery, which also produced the High White Aneries discussed in that section.
(10-15-18) An update on the Erythristic gene in Florida Kings!
It's been a few years since the Ery gene has been bred by several breeders, and it does seem to be a simple recessive trait, but there may be more going on than we can pin point as of now. The hets from an Ery to non Ery displays variable amounts of red color which can in some cases be almost as red as the Ery parent, especially if mixed with a Hypo that also has lineage of red in the bloodline. These hypo het Ery babies are so red I thought they had to be displaying the Ery gene. This year I bred a male Hypo het Ery to a Striped Lavender female, and only one of the babies displayed a slightly higher than normal amount of red. They all basically looked like typical Florida Kings with some aberration which is typical influence from the striped female.
HyperXanthic - exaggerated yellow pigment cells (Xanthophores)
HyperXanthic male Juvenile...
by Jorge Sierra
HyperXanthic male
by Zenny Felician
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female HX sibling to male on left by Jorge Sierra
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HX from a high yellow line by Jorge Sierra
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HyperXanthic Lavender.....
by Scott McFarlane
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The HyperXanthic gene is a gene that has been floating around hidden in some lines of Sulfurs which originally were found in Tamp Florida. Since most Sulfurs were immediately bred to Lavenders it's been hidden so to speak until Zenny Felician decided to test it on another hunch that it may be a specific genetic mutation responsible for the outrageous yellow color.
One interesting component of this gene is that some individual animals may be born darker, and reach their full potential after 3 years, particularly hets, so predicting what they will end up like can be tricky. Still most will have enough yellow in them to hint at what lies in store. Some babies are born outrageously yellow almost from the egg. Zenny says he has noticed males look much better than females, so there seems to be some sexual dimorphism involved.
One particularly extreme yellow Sulfur from Brandon Osborne was on breeder loan at Zenny's place, when he decided to test breed the snake to a Hypo, and a Lavender female. His final results led him to believe this was indeed a recessive trait responsible for the exaggerated yellow color which he coined Hyper-Xanthic. For more details on Zenny's breeding trial, see his website www.ZensBrooksi.com
*Updated thoughts on the HX gene; Based on the breeding trials, I have seen here with my collection it seems that the HX gene might be the superform of the Sufur gene. When you breed a pure Sulfur (which are nearly extinct) to any non Sulfur you get what old timers used to call, snakes with Sulfur influence. Further line breeding of said snakes either to each other or to a parent would result in snakes displaying varied amounts of Sulfur yellow color. Some would stand out above the rest, and be the most desirable for people wanting to continue working with Sulfurs. Those stand outs, I believe are HX, which are the super form which was in the original Sulfurs from wild animals in Hillsborough County Florida. I also believe that the Erythristic gene behaves in the exact same way. Thus producing snakes of varied degrees of red, leading some people to call them Extreme flames, and Pumpkins, and so on. I was recently given some info that the original Fengya Flames may have actually been produced by snakes which had Sulfur in them. This means that these two genes are very similar, and may even be compatible with each other genetically. Many Sulfurs display what I call the Amber look which is actually a hint of red under the bright yellow color. Also interesting to note is that many Florida King babies start off with red, which later turns to more yellow as they mature. This is just a theory of mine, and needs more testing, but I think others will have similar experiences as they work more and more with both genes. I as well as others have already started breeding Erythristics, and Sulfurs together, and they do seem to be genetically compatible.
One interesting component of this gene is that some individual animals may be born darker, and reach their full potential after 3 years, particularly hets, so predicting what they will end up like can be tricky. Still most will have enough yellow in them to hint at what lies in store. Some babies are born outrageously yellow almost from the egg. Zenny says he has noticed males look much better than females, so there seems to be some sexual dimorphism involved.
One particularly extreme yellow Sulfur from Brandon Osborne was on breeder loan at Zenny's place, when he decided to test breed the snake to a Hypo, and a Lavender female. His final results led him to believe this was indeed a recessive trait responsible for the exaggerated yellow color which he coined Hyper-Xanthic. For more details on Zenny's breeding trial, see his website www.ZensBrooksi.com
*Updated thoughts on the HX gene; Based on the breeding trials, I have seen here with my collection it seems that the HX gene might be the superform of the Sufur gene. When you breed a pure Sulfur (which are nearly extinct) to any non Sulfur you get what old timers used to call, snakes with Sulfur influence. Further line breeding of said snakes either to each other or to a parent would result in snakes displaying varied amounts of Sulfur yellow color. Some would stand out above the rest, and be the most desirable for people wanting to continue working with Sulfurs. Those stand outs, I believe are HX, which are the super form which was in the original Sulfurs from wild animals in Hillsborough County Florida. I also believe that the Erythristic gene behaves in the exact same way. Thus producing snakes of varied degrees of red, leading some people to call them Extreme flames, and Pumpkins, and so on. I was recently given some info that the original Fengya Flames may have actually been produced by snakes which had Sulfur in them. This means that these two genes are very similar, and may even be compatible with each other genetically. Many Sulfurs display what I call the Amber look which is actually a hint of red under the bright yellow color. Also interesting to note is that many Florida King babies start off with red, which later turns to more yellow as they mature. This is just a theory of mine, and needs more testing, but I think others will have similar experiences as they work more and more with both genes. I as well as others have already started breeding Erythristics, and Sulfurs together, and they do seem to be genetically compatible.
Below are some examples of offspring produced by HX and Erythristic in the first generation.
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Below is Brandon Osborne's Sulfur male that Zenny used to start the HyperXanthic line
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Spotted
Pipping
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Baby Spotted Pattern
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Spotted after a couple of sheds
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This mutation is still very new, and it needs to be test bred to fully understand the mode of inheritance. At first glance it resembles the Mosaic mutation, and may prove to be the same gene though there is no Mosaic in the parents.
The original animal that first showed the spotted pattern is owned by Zenny Felician, and is a Lavender female produced when Zenny bred the Osborne Sulfur(HX) to a Tim Ricks Lavender. Just on a hunch Zenny felt that the spotted pattern might be a mutation that could be passed down, and reproduced. He bred the female to a Sulfur from Brandon Osborne to test the Sulfur for the HyperXanthic gene. I received a pair of siblings from this pair, and have bred them together two years in a row. In 2014 the entire clutch died in the eggs due to temperature spikes in my snake room. This year I corrected the temperature issue, and hatched out one baby with an aberrant pattern that forms a row of spots down the center of it's back.
The original Female Lavender had a similar pattern, and so this may be a simple recessive gene at play? Zenny also hatched out a baby with similar spotting, and so time will tell us exactly how this morph is passed down.
My intent is to raise this male up, and breed back to his mother in hopes of producing more animals with the spotted pattern. I will also breed him to a female Mosaic to see if the two genes are allelic in any way.
The original animal that first showed the spotted pattern is owned by Zenny Felician, and is a Lavender female produced when Zenny bred the Osborne Sulfur(HX) to a Tim Ricks Lavender. Just on a hunch Zenny felt that the spotted pattern might be a mutation that could be passed down, and reproduced. He bred the female to a Sulfur from Brandon Osborne to test the Sulfur for the HyperXanthic gene. I received a pair of siblings from this pair, and have bred them together two years in a row. In 2014 the entire clutch died in the eggs due to temperature spikes in my snake room. This year I corrected the temperature issue, and hatched out one baby with an aberrant pattern that forms a row of spots down the center of it's back.
The original Female Lavender had a similar pattern, and so this may be a simple recessive gene at play? Zenny also hatched out a baby with similar spotting, and so time will tell us exactly how this morph is passed down.
My intent is to raise this male up, and breed back to his mother in hopes of producing more animals with the spotted pattern. I will also breed him to a female Mosaic to see if the two genes are allelic in any way.
Spotted female Lavender Zenny suspected might be carrying a gene for spotted trait.
White Brooks - Osborne line
Adult White Brooks CB 1994
animals and pic by Brandon Osborne
White Brooks .....animal and pic by Brandon Osborne
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yearling White Brooks ..........animal and pic by Brandon Osborne
yearling White Brooks ..........animal and pic by Brandon Osborne
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Juvenile White Brooks .........animal and pics by Brandon Osborne
yearling White Brooks ..........animal and pic by Brandon Osborne
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baby White Brooks ..........animal and pic by Brandon Osborne
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This morph unfortunately is no longer around, but it was so spectacular that I just had to include it in this list. Maybe one day we will get lucky, and someone will produce another strain similar to this one.
At first glance these resemble the NE Axanthic morph, but they are not Axanthic at all. Brandon got the first female from lloyd Lemke in 94, and bred them in 97. The orange flanks disapear at about 18 months, and they turn very white as adults
At first glance these resemble the NE Axanthic morph, but they are not Axanthic at all. Brandon got the first female from lloyd Lemke in 94, and bred them in 97. The orange flanks disapear at about 18 months, and they turn very white as adults
Sugar King
Sugar King by Daniel Parker
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Sugar King by Daniel Parker
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Sugar King belly by Daniel Parker
Sugar King as found by Daniel Parker
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Sugar King breeding a normal Palm Beach by Daniel Parker
Sugar King and normal comparison by Daniel Parker
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The Sugar King was found by Daniel Parker in a Sugar Cane field of Palm Beach County Florida. Thousands of Kings have been captured from the many sugar Cane fields for decades but this one was a little different. It had a more speckled pattern that is what we would expect from an adult. Kings tend to speckle up more and more as they mature. The color wasn't really much of an unusual look, but the pattern was different enough to cause Daniel to hang on to him.
As the snake began to grow it also seemed to change in color looking almost Chocolate/Purple. The snake looks at first glance like a Hypo, but yet not exactly what we've seen before. Only time will tell if the genetic mutation is recessive, and if it compatible with any of the already existing genes. Daniel has managed to produce offspring with a normal Palm Beach County female, and soon those babies will tell us if they are recessive. For now we will assume it is, and leave it here in this section.
As the snake began to grow it also seemed to change in color looking almost Chocolate/Purple. The snake looks at first glance like a Hypo, but yet not exactly what we've seen before. Only time will tell if the genetic mutation is recessive, and if it compatible with any of the already existing genes. Daniel has managed to produce offspring with a normal Palm Beach County female, and soon those babies will tell us if they are recessive. For now we will assume it is, and leave it here in this section.
Line bred Morphs
Sulfur - extremely yellow
Hillsborough County Florida Sulfur
pic by Nick Mesa
2003 Brandon Osborne Sulfur
by Brandon Osborne
Sulfur Lavender by Tom Stevens
young Sulfur by Tom Stevens
Hillsborough County Florida Sulfur
by Nick Mesa
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Hillsborough County Florida Sulfur
by Nick Mesa
Sulfur by Jeremy Thompson
adult male Sulfur Lavender by Jorge Sierra
.....young Sulfur Snow ......
by Tom Stevens
Hillsborough County Florida Sulfur
by Nick Mesa
Sulfur lavender by Daniel Parker
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male Sulfur het HyperXanthic
by Zenny Felician
Sulfur by Jeremy Thompson
High Yellow with obvious Sulfur influence.................
by Jorge Sierra
young Sulfur by Tom Stevens
Hillsborough County Florida Sulfur
by Nick Mesa
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<--Same snake on left as an adult
by Jorge Sierra
Sulfur Lavender by Tom Stevens
siblings Sulfurs, and Sulfur Lavender
by Tom Stevens
Hillsborough County Florida Sulfur
pic by Nick Mesa
Hillsborough County Florida Sulfur
pic by Nick Mesa
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Sulfur is a mutation that originally was found in wild caught Kings from the Tampa area of Hillsborough County Florida. Len Krysco found some of the first ones, and then others were found in the same general area. Len used to sell them as "School Bus Yellows". Andy Barr used these Sulfurs to make a line he used to call "Dream Kings". I remember seeing some on his table many years ago, and they were very dreamy indeed. I would have bought some, but he had a pretty hefty price tag on them, and it was out of my budget at the time. I took his business card, and tried to contact him a couple years later, but he had moved without trace. They have haunted me ever since.
The Sulfurs were immediately bred into Lavender Albinos, and they became very popular. In fact they became so popular that it became almost impossible to find Sulfurs that were not Lavenders. My friend Nick Mesa has some of the few remaining true Sulfurs in the hobby. Unfortunately they have had fertility issues, and many enthusiasts await to see if there will ever be pure baby Sulfurs available again.
There are still some lines with obvious Sulfur in their family tree. Tom Stevens, and Brandon Osborne each produced a line of Sulfur Lavenders for many years, and I have one female that was sold as a high yellow which traces back to one of Andy Barr's Dream Kings. Though it's not certain what else may have been added in, she does remind me of the Dream Kings I saw on Andy's table many years ago.
* Note: See Sulfur Lavenders under 2X Morphs section, for more pics of Lavenders with Sulfur influence.
New England Axanthic - Selectively bred for clean crisp white
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This morph is actually a recessive trait like the Llemke Axanthics, but since it's been selectively bred for the clean crisp white background for many generations, I decided to place it under "Line Bred Traits".
The New England line originated from a pair of wild caught Brooks from the famous "Brooks Canal" by New Yorker Bill Perron in the 1980's. Steve Garnett obtained a pair of normally colored babies from Bill, and produced the first Axanthics. Later Garnett sold Axanthic offspring to Steve Fuller of New England, and so the line was dubbed New England Axanthic Brooks. The line came from Pure Brooks Kings, and were very valued by Brooks aficionados. The line might have been called the New York Brooks if Perron had been the one to produce them, and market them.
I have long suspected that the N E Axanthics were probably from a line of very yellow South Florida Kings which once the Axanthic gene erases the yellow, it leaves behind the clean white absence of color where the yellow once was. This explains why they get whiter with age as the normal counterparts get more yellow as they mature. To prove my theory I bred a male NE Axanthic to a high yellow female this year. Only one egg hatched, but it is definitely going to be a spectacular snake as it matures. A picture of the parents is up in the very top of this page in the banner. Below is a pic of the original Axanthic that started this line, and for anyone interested a pic of the baby I produced by breeding to a high yellow this year (2015).
*Note: Special Thank you to Paul Bailey, for providing a better detailed story line than what I had previous posted.
The New England line originated from a pair of wild caught Brooks from the famous "Brooks Canal" by New Yorker Bill Perron in the 1980's. Steve Garnett obtained a pair of normally colored babies from Bill, and produced the first Axanthics. Later Garnett sold Axanthic offspring to Steve Fuller of New England, and so the line was dubbed New England Axanthic Brooks. The line came from Pure Brooks Kings, and were very valued by Brooks aficionados. The line might have been called the New York Brooks if Perron had been the one to produce them, and market them.
I have long suspected that the N E Axanthics were probably from a line of very yellow South Florida Kings which once the Axanthic gene erases the yellow, it leaves behind the clean white absence of color where the yellow once was. This explains why they get whiter with age as the normal counterparts get more yellow as they mature. To prove my theory I bred a male NE Axanthic to a high yellow female this year. Only one egg hatched, but it is definitely going to be a spectacular snake as it matures. A picture of the parents is up in the very top of this page in the banner. Below is a pic of the original Axanthic that started this line, and for anyone interested a pic of the baby I produced by breeding to a high yellow this year (2015).
*Note: Special Thank you to Paul Bailey, for providing a better detailed story line than what I had previous posted.
pic provided by Keith Hillson
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2015 baby from NE Axanthic X High Yellow
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Flame - Bob Fengya line
........Adult Fengya Flame......
by John N. Kramer
............Fengya Flames...........
by Scott McFarlane
by Michael Cansdale
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......Fengya Flame head......
by John N. Kramer
............Fengya Flames...........
by Scott McFarlane
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............Fengya Flame...........
by Scott McFarlane
Hypo from Fengya Flame line by Scott McFarlane
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............Fengya Flame...........
by Scott McFarlane
Hypo from Fengya Flame line by Scott McFarlane
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This line is usually associated with Bob Fengya who started the Flame line most people are familiar with. Then Tommy Agosta bought his collection, and took the flames to the extreme level.
Hyper Erythristic Line - including Pumpkins
............Extreme Flame..........
by Zenny felician
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Agosta line Extreme Flames
by Zenny Felician
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Agosta line Flame female
by Zenny Felician
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a clutch from Extreme Flames with also Anery, and Hypo in their genetics by Zenny Felician
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.......Pumpkin sometimes referred to as Hyper Erythristic by Jorge Sierra
Het Erythristic and Hyper Erythristic
by John N. Kramer
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Het Erythristic and Anery Flame
by John N. Kramer
Head shot of Extreme Flame
by John N. Kramer
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Het Erythristic and Anery Flame
by John N. Kramer
Het Erythristic, and Mosaic
by Jorge Sierra
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Het Erythristic, Peanut Butter, and Anery
by John N. Kramer
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Hyper E as they are sometimes called may have Erythristics in them, or even be Heterozygous Erythristcs, so this section is for Hyper E's that have not been specifically designated as Erythristic. It's only recently been discovered that there was a specific mutation floating around in the background of some of the Extreme Flames causing the intense red colors. The red color also bleeds thru a lot even in the heterozygous individuals making it difficult to know if babies are het, or visual.
There is also some thought of a second gene at play in the Erythristics, which is sometimes called "Hyper Erythristic", or "Pumpkin". Further testing is needed to see if it might just be a hypo with red bleeding over from the Erythristic, or a separate gene all it's own. For now we will lump all of them as being from the Extreme Flame line. The Pumpkin name may still be used in some pics.
*See note under HyperXanthic section for updated thoughts on both the HX, and Erythristic genes.
There is also some thought of a second gene at play in the Erythristics, which is sometimes called "Hyper Erythristic", or "Pumpkin". Further testing is needed to see if it might just be a hypo with red bleeding over from the Erythristic, or a separate gene all it's own. For now we will lump all of them as being from the Extreme Flame line. The Pumpkin name may still be used in some pics.
*See note under HyperXanthic section for updated thoughts on both the HX, and Erythristic genes.
Stripe
Adult male striped
Striped by Glen A Brooksi
Striped by Glen A Brooksi
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Adult female Striped
Striped by Glen A Brooksi
Subadult female Lavender Stripe
by Jorge Sierra
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Young single striped male
Striped by Glen A Brooksi
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Young Lavender Striped male
Striped by Glen A Brooksi
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The Striped Florida Kings popped out of the same breeding group as the mosaics from Gourmet Rodents after 2006. They were marketed as "Pinstripes", but there seems to be two main types. The Pinstripes have an almost blank pattern several scales wide running down the center of their backs bordered by two pinstripes on each side. The other is more of a single stripe down the back of the snake, sometimes somewhat broken. The gene was thought to be recessive by some, but breeding results from my personal collection have proven otherwise. They seem to be more of a line bred trait making it very difficult to combine with other morphs. There is a Lavender line that exists, but no info on where it originated, though Gourmet Rodents did work with them too. There may have been another line of Striped Lavenders I was told, but no details have emerged.
Pale Morph
Male born pale
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very pale male
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Pale Morph is what I am calling this mutation. I have a line of Brooks type Kings that I purchased as a trio of Brooks in 2009. Unfortunately the seller (Mike Russo), didn't have any background information on them, so I can't vouch for them being true Brooks locality snakes. They did however look very Brooks like, and had that light creamy/yellow look one might expect from real Brooks. He also threw in a hatchling from the same line as a gift.
I bred the adults in 2010, and held back some babies but sold the adult trio to make room for other projects. The free hatchling was a beautiful female with nice red flames on her side. However as she began to mature she became very pale, and Silvery. She reminded me of the White Brooks Morph Brandon Osborne used to work with.
Some of the other siblings from the same trio also had a unique look to them. One was confused as Axanthic by some veteran Florida King guys when I posted pics on a Kingsnake forum.
All of the babies I held back have a super light color to them, and one pair is very pale. I almost wanted to call them Pewter, because they remind me of the color of a Pewter beer mug I have, but didn't want to cause confusion with another line that is already called Pewter.
I'm not exactly sure if this is a recessive trait, or a line bred thing, but for now I will list them under line bred, until I can test them more.
I bred the adults in 2010, and held back some babies but sold the adult trio to make room for other projects. The free hatchling was a beautiful female with nice red flames on her side. However as she began to mature she became very pale, and Silvery. She reminded me of the White Brooks Morph Brandon Osborne used to work with.
Some of the other siblings from the same trio also had a unique look to them. One was confused as Axanthic by some veteran Florida King guys when I posted pics on a Kingsnake forum.
All of the babies I held back have a super light color to them, and one pair is very pale. I almost wanted to call them Pewter, because they remind me of the color of a Pewter beer mug I have, but didn't want to cause confusion with another line that is already called Pewter.
I'm not exactly sure if this is a recessive trait, or a line bred thing, but for now I will list them under line bred, until I can test them more.
Incomplete Dominance
Jelly - Result of breeding an Amel (T-Neg) to a Peanut Butter
Red Jelly by Marco Vasen
Jelly head by john N. Kramer
............adult male Jelly ............
by John N. Kramer
male Jelly by Jeremy Thompson
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.......Large adult male Jelly......
by Jorge Sierra
Red Jelly Eye close-up animal and pic by Marco Vasen
female Jelly baby het for Mosaic
by Jorge Sierra
male Jelly by Jeremy Thompson
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High red Jelly- Het for Mosaic
by Jorge Sierra
.......Juvenile female Jelly.......
by Jorge Sierra
Jelly male from Swampland line
by Ricky Lee
..........female Jelly........
by Jeremy Thompson
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....Purple looking baby Jelly....
by Jorge Sierra
Baby Jelly hatching with T-Neg pipping by Jorge Sierra
baby Jelly by Jeremy Thompson
Female and Male Jellies
by Jorge Sierra
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The Jelly morph is truely amazing! It is produced by breeding a T-Neg/Amel to a Peanut Butter, and the result is all offspring are Jelly in the first generation. because of the incomplete dominance at work. The result is 100% of the babies being Jelly, which is an intermediate phenotype of the two parents.
Amel, and Peanut Butter are incomplete dominant to each other but recessive to wild types or other morphs.
So if you breed Amel, or PB to a normal, or non related morph you will get hets.
If you breed Amel to PB you will produce 100% Jellies!
If you breed an Amel to a Jelly you will get 50% Jellies, and 50% Amels.
If you breed PB to a Jelly you will get 50% Jellies, and 50% Peanut Butters.
If you breed Jelly to Jelly you should produce all three morphs 25% PB, 25% T-Negs, and 50% Jellies
Rainer Weishauptl was the first to discover this combination in 2005, and was very surprised at the results when he bred the two genes together expecting he would get double Hets.
These are some of the pics he posted on a public forum at the time, of the original parents, and one of the Jelly babies.
Amel, and Peanut Butter are incomplete dominant to each other but recessive to wild types or other morphs.
So if you breed Amel, or PB to a normal, or non related morph you will get hets.
If you breed Amel to PB you will produce 100% Jellies!
If you breed an Amel to a Jelly you will get 50% Jellies, and 50% Amels.
If you breed PB to a Jelly you will get 50% Jellies, and 50% Peanut Butters.
If you breed Jelly to Jelly you should produce all three morphs 25% PB, 25% T-Negs, and 50% Jellies
Rainer Weishauptl was the first to discover this combination in 2005, and was very surprised at the results when he bred the two genes together expecting he would get double Hets.
These are some of the pics he posted on a public forum at the time, of the original parents, and one of the Jelly babies.
Original pair that produced the first Jellies
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One of the first Jelly babies
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One of the first jellies
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One of the first Jellies
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2X Combination morphs
Axanthic Ghost
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Anery Ghost - Anery x Hypo
............Anery Ghost adult..........
by Scott McFarlane
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...........Anery Ghost adult..........
by Scott McFarlane
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Anery Ghost with Erythristic influence
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Anery Ghost with Erythristic influence
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Anery Ghost from Fusion line
By Micah Brawley
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......Anery Ghost flame.....
By Jeremy Thompson
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Anery Snow - Anery x Lavender
Comparison between Anery, and Axanthic Snows. Anery Snow is in the foreground.
Sulfur Snow by Neil Little
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...........baby Anery Snow...........
by Jennifer Archer
Anery Snow by Neil Little
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Anery Snow female
Anery Snow by Neil little
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Anery Snow female copulating with a het HyperXanthic male
Anery Snow by Neil Little
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Axanthic Snow / Pink Pearl - Axanthic x Lavender
Comparison between Anery, and Axanthic Snows. Axanthic Snow is in the background.
Pink Pearl by John N. Kramer
Pink Pearl by John N. Kramer
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adult Pink Pearl
Belly shot of a Pink Pearl showing the Paradox yellow color that shouldn't be present due to the Axanthic gene.
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Young Pink Pearl
..........Axanthic Snow...............
by Mark Kenderdine
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Pink Pearl next to an Axanthic Ghost, and a lavender
...........Axanthic Snow...............
by Mark Kenderdine
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Hybino - (Hypo X Lavender)
Hybino,......animal and pic by John N. Kramer
Hypo Lavender....... by Daniel Parker
Hybino by John N. Kramer
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Hybino,......animal and pic by John N. Kramer
Hybino by Daniel parker
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2014 Hybino 100% het White Sided
by Micah Brawley
Hybino by Darnell Brister
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2014 Hybino 100% het White Sided
by Micah Brawley
Hybino by Darnell Brister
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True Hybino - (Hypomel) -Hypo x Amel (T-Neg)
Hypo T-Neg by Zenny Felician
Hypo Amel by Nick Mesa
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......Hypo T-Neg...........
by Jeremy Thompson
Hypo T-Neg by Darnell Brister
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Hypo T-Neg by Zenny Felician
Hypo T-Neg by Darnell Brister
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Hypo T-Neg by Zenny Felician
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Double Albino - Lavender x Amel (T-Neg)
Male believed to be both Lavender, and Amel (T-Neg) by Neil Little
Sibling of Orangeade, thought to be a male Jelly by Sam Jones
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Possible double albino nicknamed "Orangeade" produced in 2015 by Neil Little
Sibling of Orangeade above, thought to be a male Jelly by Sam Jones
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T-Neg sibling of the double Albino baby by Neil Little
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Parents of the double albino......
by Neil Little
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Neil said this T-Neg male fathered a clutch of Lavenders when bred to a female Sulfur Lavender, so we concluded he must be both T-Neg, and Lavender by looking at the babies he has produced. The mother of Oragneade is a Jelly, and most likely het for Lavender. It is not known if the Hypo gene is also being displayed?
Hypo Erythristic / Flamethrower - (Erythristic X Hypo)
.........Flamethrower female.........
by Jorge Sierra
.......Erythristic and Hypo.........
by Zenny Felician
...........Flame Hypo..........
by Jeremy Thompson
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.........Flamethrower male...........
by Jorge Sierra
Flamethrower
...........Flame Hypo..........
by Jeremy Thompson
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Flamethrower by J. Sierra
Flame Hypo het Bone White
by Jeremy Thompson
.........Flamethrower male...........
by Jorge Sierra
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Agosta line Flame Hypo 2014
by Micah Brawley
Agosta line Flame Hypo 2014
by Micah Brawley
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Ice - (Erythristic X Anery)
This morph is a combination of the saturated reds of the Erythristic gene, and the red cancelling effect of the Anery gene. Babies may display a darker look but should get whiter with each shed as it grows. When Hypo is also being expressed it makes it harder to ID since Hypo also creates a type of Ghost.
Ice by Jorge Sierra
Ice by Jorge Sierra
Ice by Kayla Bell
Ice by Jorge Sierra
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Ice by Darnell Brister
Ice by Jorge Sierra
Ice by Kayla Bell
Ice by Jorge Sierra
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Ice by Darnell Brister
Ice by Jorge Sierra
Ice by Kayla Bell
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Ice by Darnell Brister
Ice by Jorge Sierra
Ice by Kayla Bell
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Hypo Mosaic
Adult female Hypo Mosaic......
by Ricky Lee
Hypo Mosaic Juvenile
Hypo Mosaic by Daniel Parker
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....very yellow Hypo Mosaic.....
by Kayla Bell
Hypo Mosaic Juvenile
Patternless Hypo Mosaic
by Kayla Bell
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Mosaic Het for Hypo
Hypo Mosaic belly shot
animal and pic by Kayla Bell
Patternless Hypo Mosaic by Kayla Bell
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Hypo Mosaic pic by Kayla Bell
Hypo Mosaic by Kayla Bell
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Hypo Mosaics are one of my favorite Morph combos. When the Hypo gene is added to the Mosaics they take on a whole new look. They can look striped to almost patternless. The Chromatophores are also drastically altered so the snake takes on a completely new transformation. Even the Mosaics with Htpo in het form look different than the original Mosaic phenotype.
*After seeing several different combinations producing similar looking snakes to the Hypo Mosaics, I have reevaluated the status of the morph combo. I thought the Mosaic Gene was responsible for the reduced striped/Patternless phenotype, but I am now convinced that it is in fact the Hypo gene that is responsible. The Hypo Gene is the common denominator in all the similar looking combinations.
*After seeing several different combinations producing similar looking snakes to the Hypo Mosaics, I have reevaluated the status of the morph combo. I thought the Mosaic Gene was responsible for the reduced striped/Patternless phenotype, but I am now convinced that it is in fact the Hypo gene that is responsible. The Hypo Gene is the common denominator in all the similar looking combinations.
Axanthic Mosaic
Axanthic Mosaic by Ryan Beatty
NE Axanthic Mosaic by Zenny Felician
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Axanthic Mosaic by Ryan Beatty
(Possibly a ghost Mosaic)
NE Axanthic Mosaic by Zenny Felician
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NE Axanthic Mosaic by Zenny Felician
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Anery Mosaic
Anery Mosaic by Scott McFarland (2022)
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Mystery Mosaic
Juvenile High Yellow Mystery Mosaic
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Belly shot of High Yellow Mystery Mosaic
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Dark female from Mystery line. She is carrying the Mystery gene in Het form
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Female from High Yellow Mystery line
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Mystery Mosaics are being reverse engineered. They were purchased from someone who wants to remain unknown, but it's thought they do not have Hypo in them, so we have to do more test breeding to see what it actually is. Hence the name "Mystery Mosaics".
* update: The Mystery Mosaics have been behaving like Hyopo Mosaics when bred with Hypos, so it seems they are just another Line of Hypo mosaics
* update: The Mystery Mosaics have been behaving like Hyopo Mosaics when bred with Hypos, so it seems they are just another Line of Hypo mosaics
Ultra Mosaic
Ultra Mosaic female
Same Ultra Mosaic as above but older
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Ultra Mosaic male
Same Ultra Mosaic as above older
with a Darker Mystery Mosaic female
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Ultra Mosaic belly shot
Same Ultra Mosaics as above but older
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Ultra Mosaics may turn out to be the same as the Mystery Mosaics. Only test breeding will tell us. These Ultra Mosaic are a Mystery all their own. We do have more info on these, than with the Mystery line. The parents looked like normal Mosaics with a bit more reddish orange in their color. The really interesting part is that the entire clutch of 10 babies looked similar to these pictured above.
So one might think that the parents were just het for Hypo, but the entire clutch should not have looked this way. Unless it was a total fluke, and stroke of good luck? More testing will hopefully unlock the secret to these amazing creatures!
To anyone who thinks these have been mixed with Goini, you need to read the origins of the Mosaics up in that section, and see the babies that hatched from wild caught gravid Florida Kings.
* update: UltraMosaics are behaving like Hypo Mosaics when bred to Hypos, so just like the mystery Mosaics they seem to be just another line of Hypo Mosaics.
So one might think that the parents were just het for Hypo, but the entire clutch should not have looked this way. Unless it was a total fluke, and stroke of good luck? More testing will hopefully unlock the secret to these amazing creatures!
To anyone who thinks these have been mixed with Goini, you need to read the origins of the Mosaics up in that section, and see the babies that hatched from wild caught gravid Florida Kings.
* update: UltraMosaics are behaving like Hypo Mosaics when bred to Hypos, so just like the mystery Mosaics they seem to be just another line of Hypo Mosaics.
Mosaic Lavender
Lavender Mosaic by Glen A Brooksi
Mosaic Lavender
by Kayla Bell
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Lavender Mosaic by Glen A Brooksi
Lavender Mosaic by Glen A Brooksi
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.......Mosaic Lavender with flash.....
by Jennifer Archer
Lavender Mosaic by Daniel Parker
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.......Mosaic Lavender without flash.....
by Jennifer Archer
Mosaic Lavender by Ryan E. Beatty
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Mosaic T-Neg
Mosaic T-Neg by Jorge Sierra
Mosaic T-Neg by Ryan Long
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Mosaic T-Neg by Jorge Sierra
Mosaic T-Neg by Ryan Long
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Mosaic T-Neg by Jorge Sierra
Mosaic T-Neg by Ryan Long
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Mosaic T-Neg by Jorge Sierra
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Mosaic White Sided
2016 brought us the first ever White Sided Mosaics. These were produced by Ryan E. Beatty. He believes that one of the two siblings is actually also displaying Axanthic which makes it a separate first time combination in itself. More pictures will follow this impressive looking combination as they mature.
Mosaic White Sided (2016)
Mosaic White Sided by Kayla Bell
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Mosaic White Sided, and sibling which may also be Axanthic (2016)
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True Snow - Amel (T-Neg) X Anery
Amel X Anery by Scott McFalane
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Amel x Anery by Ryan Beatty
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Amel x Anery by Terry Walters
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Blizzard -Amel (T-Neg) X Axanthic
Amel X Axanthic.... by Nick Mesa
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Phantom - Peanut Butter X Anery
.........Phantom juvenile...........
by Scott McFarlane
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007 Phantom by Jeremy Thompson
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Axanthic Peanut Butter
by Darnell Brister
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by Darnell Brister
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by Darnell Brister
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by Darnell Brister
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by Gábor Halász
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by Gábor Halász
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Sulfur Lavender - Lavender with Sulfur influence
... Sulfur Lavender male ...
-by Jorge Sierra
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Sulfur Lavender female with a Sulfur het Lavender male
- by Jorge Sierra
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...... Sulfur Lavender ......
by Charles Shanklin
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...... Sulfur Lavender ......
by Charles Shanklin
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...... Sulfur Lavender ......
by Scott McFarlane
Sulfur Lavender by Daniel Parker
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...... Sulfur Lavender ......
by Jeremy Thompson
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...... Sulfur Lavender ......
by Charles Shanklin
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...... Sulfur Lavender ......
by Charles Shanklin
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Once the first Sulfurs were discovered they were quickly bred into snakes that were Lavenders, and soon after the Sulfur Snow was cooked up.(more on Sulfur Snows in 3X morph section). The Sulfur gene is not really a recessive trait so many breeders described them as Lavenders with Sulfur influence since there was no such thing as a legit Sulfur Lavender. Sometimes they were referred to as Lavenders 50% Sulfur. Regardless pf the description the bright yellow color in an albino(Lavender) form was very popular, and it eventually became almost impossible to find normal Sulfurs.
Sulfur Flame
Sulfur Flame by Mark Gable
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HyperXanthic Lavender
..HyperXanthic lavender..
by Scott McFarlane
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..HyperXanthic lavender..
by Scott McFarlane
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Hyperxanthic Lavender by Jorge Sierra
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HX Lavenders are very similar to the Sulfur lavender, and should only be authenticated by the bloodline of actual HX lines. the HX is like Sulfur, but with much more intensity of yellow color. It is believed to be recessive, but may need more testing. It is definitely genetic, and can be passed down to offspring.
HyperXanthic T-Neg/Amel
White Sided Hypo
White Sided Hypo head shot
by John N. Kramer
..........White Sided Hypo.........
by John N. Kramer
White Sided Hypo
by Jeremy Thompson
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White Sided Hypo head shot
by John N. Kramer
WS Hypo by Glen A Brooksi
White Sided Hypo
by Jeremy Thompson
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White Sided Hypo young
by Darnell Brister
WS Hypo by Glen A Brooksi
White Sided Hypo
by Jeremy Thompson
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White Sided Hypo young by Darnell Brister
WS Hypo by Glen A Brooksi
^Extended Gallery^
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White Sided Lavender
White Sided Lavender male
by Zenny Felician
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WS Lavender by Scott McFarlane
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White Sided Lavender by Scott McFarlane
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White Sided Lavender by Scott McFarlane
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White Sided Peanut Butter
WS Peanut Butter male from Swampland line by Ricky Lee
WS Peanut Butter and Peanut butter - Swampland line by Scott McFarlane
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WS Peanut Butter male from Swampland line by Ricky Lee
WS Peanut Butter and Peanut butter - Swampland line by Scott McFarlane
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WS Peanut Butter female from Swampland line by Ricky Lee
WS Peanut Butter and Peanut butter - Swampland line by Scott McFarlane
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WS Peanut Butter female from Swampland line by Ricky Lee
WS Peanut Butter and Peanut butters -Swampland line by Scott McFarlane
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Mosaic Peanut Butter
Mosaic Peanut Butter -by Ryan Long
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Mosaic Peanut Butter - by Ryan Long
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